7:17 pm - 02/23/2006

My Boric Acid Experiment

Some background: Yucky yeasties, blah, blah, blah. Store out of type of antifungal I need. Neither acidophilus nor other antifungal doing much good, not even in combination. My vagina is a vampire: garlic causes her great harm, if not quite instant death.

Several VPers have mentioned their enthusiastic acclaim for boric acid. Have tried it in the past; capsules (I only used one at a time) caused nearly as much vagina fire as did garlic. It was ungood, but so is this YI.

So I read this post as well as this one in the Archives. But I got my main idea from this archived post, since it involved diluting the powder in water and "mini-douching" with it.

Though I finally found a pharmacy in my new city that carries boric acid, I also spent $2.61 of my last $2.65 on it. This meant not enough money left for a syringe/plunger/douching mechanism of any sort. Neither can I use any sort of household kitchen utensil like a turkey baster since such items are reserved for people who cook.

I finally had the acid: now how to get it inside me?



I scoured my bathroom to discover that I had some tampons left over from this summer's IUD insertion (where I was advised to avoid my menstrual cup for a couple of cycles... bad advice, in my opinion, but off topic here). So I made the boric acid solution -- using only 1/2 teaspoon per cup of water, half what the archives recommend -- and dipped the tampon -- an o.b. without applicator -- in it.

Of course, yes, it swelled up right away, making the tampon kind of leaky and squishy. It was different from inserting a "normal" tampon, but as a long time cup user, I didn't find it too difficult to wiggle that little sucker in there. Being already filled with fluid, it was actually softer than inserting a tampon straight from the wrapper.

Anyway, even at the lower concentration, the boric acid produced a definite tingling in my vagina, more uncomfortable than the yeastie itching, but crossing the threshold into burning or pain. I wasn't really sure how long a boric acid "douche" would take, so I left the tampon in for 5 full minutes -- probably a longer exposure, but exposure to less overall acid.

The tingling continued for a few minutes after I removed the tampon; then it started to subside. A half hour after removal, my vag felt marginally better. I'm definitely more comfortable now than I was with the boric acid inside me, and I think I'm more comfortable than I was before I tried the boric acid at all, but I'm not really sure about that one.

I also think I will try the same routine again tomorrow though I'm not sure how I should alter it, if at all.

Well... first off... is what I'm doing safe? Since the recommendation for capsules is to leave them overnight -- well, until they dissolve, really -- I'd assume that five minutes' exposure to boric acid isn't harmful. Still, if I'm causing chemical burns on my cooter, I'd like to know now, before I try it again. :)

Second, is the dosage strong enough to be effective? I mean, having a dosage I can live with is all fine and good, but it's only really worth it if it gets rid of my yeast infection. Should I make the solution more concentrated? Lengthen the time the boric acid tampon spends in my vagina?




Update 2/24/06: So, not quite cartwheels, exactly, but I did try placing the boric acid solution in my Diva Cup and inverting it, per jennifer0246's suggestion, to kind of swish the fluid around, operating on the idea that it would be more like a douche. (I have not yet heard from the Diva Cup company on whether this is actually an "okay" use of the cup.) Well, I tried it, but I didn't really like it. Maybe it's because of how high my cup sits in my vaginal canal, but the concentration that was only mildly uncomfortable to the lower portion of my vagina produced a stronger stinging sensation when it touched my cervix. Since most of my yeasties seem to be concentrated lower down, at least with this infection, I think I'll stick with the tampon approach for the moment.


Ideas?

(Can't wait for payday! Also whatever day it is when my local pharmacies restock their shelves!)
pixie_nz 24th-Feb-2006 03:39 am (UTC)
I don't even put the boric acid in capsules. The powder forms some clumps, and I just shove one up as far as I can. It doesn't sting and it makes the BV go away!
frolicnaked 24th-Feb-2006 03:52 am (UTC)
Straight boric acid does sting my vagina, I promise.
pixie_nz 24th-Feb-2006 03:54 am (UTC)
I wasn't saying it shouldn't, just that it doesn't hurt me. Mind you, I think my vagina is made of steel because I can put straight tea tree oil in it and it just feels a bit tingly.

I can't imagine a stinging vagina :( Ouchies. I hope you can find something that works.
jennifer0246 24th-Feb-2006 04:04 am (UTC)
me too, on the tea tree. it's kind of fun. but tea tree + yeasty smelling vag = fucking wierd. i will not try that again soon.
frolicnaked 24th-Feb-2006 04:25 am (UTC)
Actually, when I took the boric acid tampon out of my vag, it smelled pretty funky, too. (Yes, I sniffed a tampon.)

My vag smelled slightly yeastie, yes, but the boric acid solution didn't smell. But the combination of those plus tampon was apparently too much for human olfactory senses to interpret as "normal."
so_cruel 24th-Feb-2006 03:43 am (UTC)
I'm not much help (as I just use capsules), but I must ask - does boric acid burn your vag beyond what you can handle, or is it just a decent amount of burning so you've opted to stop using it (in capsule form)? I ask because boric acid capsules always give me a little burning the first day I use them, but if I stick it out, it goes away. It never burns much after that. I've found that the burning is kinda like "the healing" for my body. The slight burning means it's working on me. By day 2 my vag is already feeling nearly 100% better.

Everyone's different, but I just thought I'd ask.
ssyndrome 24th-Feb-2006 03:59 am (UTC)
Totally OT, but I love your icon.
frolicnaked 24th-Feb-2006 04:04 am (UTC)
Once when I was younger, I was helping my dad pick the jalepeno peppers we grew in our backyard. When we were through, I went inside to use the bathroom... only I forgot to wash my hands first.

That's pretty much how boric acid feels, only the burning is vaginal rather than vulvar.

I've actually tried it 2 days in a row... then decided that if the only 2 choices I had were boric acid and YI, I'd rather have the yeast.
so_cruel 24th-Feb-2006 04:13 am (UTC)
Yikes! Okay then I totally understand. I just didn't want you to be giving up if it was a little burn. I hope you find something that works!
frolicnaked 24th-Feb-2006 04:40 am (UTC)
Here's hoping that the "something" is this dilute boric acid solution.

Or that my drugstore restocks its supply of GyneLotrimin soon after payday. :)
ncsu_lady 24th-Feb-2006 03:44 am (UTC)
sorry, i have nothing to add or help.. but this just made me laugh. I hope you feel better soon though :)
frolicnaked 24th-Feb-2006 04:13 am (UTC)
Thanks for the well-wishes, though I'm actually laughing about it, too. If it works, it will make an awesome story for long car trips or awkward moments with strangers. ;)
oh________brad 24th-Feb-2006 04:53 am (UTC)
I love telling those kinds. :)
jennifer0246 24th-Feb-2006 04:06 am (UTC)
I'd say it's pretty safe, yes. I'd also say that if you're having slight burning, it's working. Perhaps use a more dilute solution tomorrow? Also, would it be possible to put the solution in your cup and invert yourself to swish things around (or do you think the tampon is rather more effective)?
frolicnaked 24th-Feb-2006 04:36 am (UTC)
I actually don't think I need a more dilute solution. I can handle the concentration I used today, and that's already diluted to half the strength that the "Read this before you post about YIs" post recommended.

And I could definitely put the solution in my cup and invert (handstands and cartwheels in the house! yay!). Do you think the boric acid would damage the cup? (I think it's unlikely, but still....) Wait! I have 2 cups! While my Diva will always have sentimental value, I don't think I'll be using it anymore, so I could afford to "sacrifice" it to boric acid damage if that is, in fact, what happens.

I will email the Diva Cup people about this issue tonight. (Though I suspect they'll say they don't know of any reason why it should harm the cup but can't guarantee that it's totally safe.) But I'll try it with the cup tomorrow and see how that goes.

I'm not sure whether the tampons would be more effective. They're kind of nice because they "hold" the boric acid in the vagina, but I mostly used them because I happened upon them and was excited to have a use for leftover tampons. (I donated my leftover applicator tampons to my school, but have had trouble finding homes for my o.b.s and Insteads.)

I'll post an update -- linked to this -- tomorrow. ;)
rockstarbob 24th-Feb-2006 04:40 am (UTC)
Update us with a comment here on what the Diva People say about the boric acid, if you think about it. It would be good info to have.
frolicnaked 24th-Feb-2006 04:48 am (UTC)
As an edit to this post, a comment to this post, or another post linked back to this one?

I understand about wanting to "streamline" the community by omitting unnecessary posts. However, I also wonder if the info might get overlooked if it's only added onto an "old" post.
rockstarbob 24th-Feb-2006 04:59 am (UTC)
It won't get overlooked if it's Tagged (it is) and/or linked from the big YI post! But I'd be OK with a separate post too if you feel it's absolutely necessary. There's just a lot for people to look at when it comes to YI info, so I try not to let it get too scattered.

Thanks for doing this!
frolicnaked 24th-Feb-2006 05:50 am (UTC)
Oksy, if it's tagged, then I won't worry about it getting overlooked.

I contacted the Diva Cup company and will add to this when I receive a response.
rockstarbob 24th-Feb-2006 05:59 am (UTC)
Awesome, thanks!
rockstarbob 29th-Dec-2007 01:52 am (UTC)
I just tripped over this old post of yours and was wondering if you ever heard back from the Diva Cup folks.
frolicnaked 29th-Dec-2007 02:03 am (UTC)
You know, no I did not. I wonder if I'd get a better response from the Mooncup UK people?
robynchick 24th-Feb-2006 07:46 am (UTC)
as to the douching: Got a hot water bottle?

How about a plastic ziploc bag with a hole in one corner? Maybe a straw poked out through one corner?
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frolicnaked 25th-Feb-2006 02:43 am (UTC)
I'd have to actually have a ziploc bag to do it, though. I don't think the tiny folding sandwich bags I do have (i.e., the dog poop bags) would do anything but make a mess all over my hands, legs, and vulva.
frolicnaked 25th-Feb-2006 02:39 am (UTC)
No to the hot water bottle or the ziploc bags. I have the folding sandwich bags but none that actually seal entirely. :)
garneyloom 25th-Feb-2006 05:41 am (UTC)
I had chronic yeast infections for months, but boric acid saved me! :) the best way to use is is to buy double zero gel capsules. Take apart the capsule and stuff the larger side full of boric acid (just pour out some of the boric acid into a small heap on a paper towel and push down with the capsule on the heap until it is filled). Then re-screw the capusle and insert it as far as you can into the vagina.

Vwahlah. I think some people recommend you do this twice a day, but I mostly did it at night. Wear a pad when you do it though, because it'll leak out over the course of 12 or so hours (your vagina doesnt abosrb it...it just makes the PH change so that yeast cant grow).
frolicnaked 25th-Feb-2006 05:53 am (UTC)
"Have tried it in the past; capsules (I only used one at a time) caused nearly as much vagina fire as did garlic. It was ungood...."

It's only the "best way to use" if the cure is not worse than the infection.
garneyloom 26th-Feb-2006 04:43 am (UTC)
fair enough. Sorry, I read that, but for some reason I thought you were still asking about how to use the capsules. After re-reading the post, I realized you were asking how to do the douche and/or dilute the solution. Oops.
frolicnaked 26th-Feb-2006 06:15 am (UTC)
Not even. I was asking how to do some kind of makeshift application of the solution since I don't have the supplies necessary to actually douche with it. :)

(Though I've now found something that works for me, and the symptoms of my YI are gone... I'm still using it for another 3 days, just to make sure all the microscopic yeasties have really been banished from my vagina.)
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