4:36 pm - 09/23/2018

Boric acid for YI - how long to clear up?

Hi there, everyone,

I'm currently dealing with a yeast infection from hell that I can't get rid of, no matter what I do. I'm quite prone to yeast infections - my gynecologist suspected this might be related to my copper IUD - and I feel like I always have a kind of chronic underlying YI that decides to flare up from time to time. Generally when that happens I can manage it with Diflucan and get it back under "control"...but it seems to never really go away. Any small variation from normal - sex, my period, stress, alcohol - makes it comes back with a vengeance. Even more upsettingly, this time, I don't just have the standard vaginal irritation, it also seems to have migrated back toward the rectal area, so that I basically have itchy, uncomfortable diaper rash along the entire - ahem - undercarriage. It is really unpleasant and discouraging, to say the least.

I went to the doctor about a week and a half ago, who confirmed that I am indeed dealing with yeast (she confirmed this visually because I had already taken a Diflucan at that point, which often throws off the yeast swab test and gives a false negative). I told her I was worried about herpes (because I have a persistent phobia about herpes, and know that it can present in the same way as a YI), and she said it was definitely yeast; she had no doubt about that. She prescribed three doses of Diflucan and two different topical ointments, which I've used for the past week and have made no difference at all.

I know that some people have used boric acid to treat YIs, and so I bought some online and started inserting suppositories (vaginally) twice a day, starting about three days ago. This may be making a *small* amount of difference by now, though I continue to have the typical yeasty discharge (the encouraging part is that it seems to be getting increasingly watery/diluted, which is making me hope that it's breaking down/becoming less potent through the introduction of the boric acid). However, the boric acid is only helping with the vaginal YI, so today I also found a 10% boric acid cream which I've ordered and plan to use in the back area to see if that will help, too. I'm a bit discouraged, though, because despite my now three days of using the boric acid suppositories, things have not cleared up entirely, though a lot of the people who reviewed the suppositories indicated that they experienced relief within a single day! Then again, it seemed that many of those reviewers were using boric acid to treat BV and not yeast, so I wonder if the effects are quicker for BV with boric acid than they are with yeast...?

I intend to keep using the suppositories (and boric acid cream, once it arrives) for about 1-2 weeks to see if they kick in and start treating the problem. But in the interim, I'm wondering if anyone here has had experiences with treating YIs with boric acid. If so, how long did it take you to see some change in your symptoms?

Thank you very much for your help!
bicrim 23rd-Sep-2018 10:58 pm (UTC)
Cut out all sugars and simple carbs. They feed the yeast. Eat Paleo-ish, meats, green veggies, a very small amount of low sugar fruit like berries, fats. Start a decent probiotic daily. This systemic yeast needs to be treated systemically, not just locally.
acs80 23rd-Sep-2018 11:39 pm (UTC)
Thanks! I'm aware of the low candida/candida free diet and am already practicing it. I also take a high quality probiotic every morning.

Edited at 2018-09-23 11:39 pm (UTC)
prettybrownsid 24th-Sep-2018 02:01 am (UTC)
I think it takes a 1-2 weeks to really start working and clearing up. I know you said they're reoccurring so I would suggest trying a yoni cleanse. They're really amazing and have helped women with BV, infertility, and a lot of other things. Here's the website I bought one from
www.yummyyonipearls.net


Edited at 2018-09-24 02:01 am (UTC)
acs80 24th-Sep-2018 10:29 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much! I'll check out that site right away. I appreciate the tip!
archangelbeth 24th-Sep-2018 05:04 am (UTC)
3 days is probably not quite long enough for a yeast infection -- especially a stubborn one like this!

https://vaginapagina.livejournal.com/22229410.html has comments suggesting 5-7 days, and then once or twice a week to maintain acidity for the next couple months.

For external use, I'd suggest a shallow bath with about a cup of vinegar in it (maybe apple cider, because it smells a little better). I would not do any douching (especially not with an IUD!), but https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2567125/ does say, "Three vinegar-containing douches selectively inhibited vaginal pathogens associated with bacterial vaginosis, group B streptococcal vaginitis, and candidiasis, but not lactobacilli, suggesting to the investigators that vinegar (5 percent acetic acid) douches may be less harmful or may be beneficial." Be careful; if it stings too much, rinse off, maybe use some coconut oil to soothe things, and consider trying with less vinegar later.

If there's improvement, keep doing that every day or two?

Comments in https://vaginapagina.livejournal.com/20353387.html have some more suggestions about ways to find the capsules to make your own.
https://vaginapagina.livejournal.com/7322745.html is about how to use a tampon as a boric acid applicator!

As a long-shot, you might want to talk to your doctor about the possibility that the IUD strings are allowing yeast to stick to them and possibly colonize the cervix or uterus. I only say this because my uncle-in-law got a nasty case of blood MRSA (I think that's the acronym) that turned out to be the bacteria hiding out on his pacemaker leads; once the leads stopped being reached by the bloodstream (and all the IV antibiotics they were pumping into him), the bacteria weren't affected by the antibiotics and re-colonized his blood. They had to replace the whole pacemaker!

If something like that is the case, then you might need a longer course of Diflucan to go along with a maintenance dose of boric acid, or even remove the IUD, treat, and get a new one. (Which would be kind of sucky, admittedly. If you go that route, I very much advise requesting, at the time of appointment, a doctor who can do a cervical anesthetic shot; I've had insertions both ways, and the cervix was TOTALLY CHILL the second time, with the shot.)

Also as a long shot, your doctor has made sure that it's not a sign of a potential mild diabetic condition, yes?

(For a keyword search that might be helpful, I did:
boric acid for yeast infections site:vaginapagina.livejournal.com
*does a websearch-fu dance* O;> )

Anyway, good luck!
acs80 24th-Sep-2018 10:30 pm (UTC)
You are always such an amazing help - thank you! I did think a bit about diabetes (which runs in my family), so if this boric acid doesn't work I'll go back into the doctor.
archangelbeth 30th-Sep-2018 06:29 am (UTC)
Fingers crossed! (But yeah, if diabetes runs in the family, definitely worth checking on just on general principles, probably.) And glad to be useful!
caryatid2141 Courage!10th-Oct-2018 09:28 pm (UTC)
I had similar problems many years ago. Really powerful yogurt can be squooged into the vagina, then lay on your back for a while to keep it there. It can help. Super-active probiotics too can be mixed up with slippery elm or something to make it like a slurry and put up there too. Don't use any starches though- they break down to sugars.

The slurry stuff can be used as a "implanted enema", that is put in the rectum too. Then lay on your back for a while so it doesn't insist on being pooped out immediately.

A syringe without a needle works for both places, but obviously NOT in the vagina AFTER the rectum.

A couple other things worked. The boyfriend used the anti-yeast cream on his penis several times a day for a week. Presto! no more automatic infections every month.

And a Betadine soaked tampon does the trick. There is some risk of becoming allergic to iodine that way though, so I stopped doing it. Allergy to iodine is dangerous and means no seafood ever ever again...

acs80 Re: Courage!15th-Oct-2018 10:22 pm (UTC)
I really appreciate all these tips! I continue to have issues, unfortunately. Most of the vaginal symptoms cleared up and even the backside stuff was getting a little better, I thought, but after my period this month, bam! Everything was back again. Just made an appointment to see my doctor. I'll update here if I get any good results!!!
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