12:07 am - 11/23/2011

Boric Acid Treatment Success for BV

Hello All,
I swore i would pipe up if i ever found anything that worked well, so i'm here to report and share the love...
I have periodically suffered from a combination of yeast/bacterial vaginosis/unhappy hoohaa for some years. I've never know for sure what it was and lab tests are usually inconclusive so it's kinda low grade whatever it is. Many times i will have a lot of itching (mostly kind of external, but occasionally up inside as well) and soreness, particularly after sex. Only once have i had the full on cottage cheese yeast infection. I have tried all the usual monistat potions and diflucan pills, but i have avoided antibiotics mostly b/c the threat of things getting worse is too much to bear. 

I was reading about boric acid on here recently and decided to take action because i was having this low grade issue where it was kind of oozing milky discharge and smelling a bit stronger than usual and also sort of farting out silent bubbles of air or gas from my vagina. I felt wet like i'd just had sex, which was not as fun as it sounds. And when i did have sex it would always tear the perineum area.

So i decided i wanted to try homemade boric acid suppositories. The stupid FDA banned the use of boric acid for sale as an over the counter pharmaceutical (though you can still buy pharmaceutical grade BA on amazon) so i bought regular old Boric Acid straight from the bulk bin at Rainbow grocery in San Francisco. It's sold as a laundry enhancer/roach killer. It says 'Not for Internal Use' on the bin which gave me a little pause, but i gathered from them Rainbow folks that it was just that they were required to say that b/c of the stupid FDA. So I called a compounding pharmacy and said say, i am planning on making my own suppositories out of vegetable caps and non pharmaceutical grade BA, the exact stuff you buy to do laundry or kill cockroaches, and putting it in my vagina, what do you think about that? And the pharmacist was very cool and he said sure, sounds fine, thats pretty much what we do.  So my last concern was that i had read that it isn't good to put it on broken skin becuase it gets into the blood and is toxic and my skin was kinda broken.

But i did it anyway. I made capsules with a size 00 vegetable cap also purchased at rainbow by just scooping up the powder and pushing the cap shut. Easy as pie. And then i popped one up there as far as i could poke it and went to bed (with a panty liner). I had read to use 2, but i have just used one so far b/c it seems to work. 

It didn't burn at all or anything unpleasant. It does make me ooze a watery discharge the whole next day but it's not the same as the creamy milky discharge and then it's gone and i feel way better. The strong smell goes away and the soreness is gone and the itching is gone and the vaginal farting is gone! All for about 15 cents. Seriously, no wonder the stupid FDA doesn't like it. Perfectly safe. People use the same stuff for pink eye washes. Anything you can put in your eye, you can put anywhere else. 

The first time fixed everything for a couple of weeks, then i got a little recurrence starting so i did it again , one night, and bam, fixed. So I guess i've done this about 5 times now over about 3 months. I gave some to mi amiga and she tried it and had no problems and was happy with the result. I may try it 3 days in a rom or two at a time or something to see if i can kick it for good, or i can just do this forever, it's so easy.

It makes me screaming crazy mad that simple solutions like this have to be sought through whispers and hearsay like they're black magic. Stupid FDA. The best part is, you don't have to know if you have yeast or BV, works on both. You don't have to go to the doc. It's practically free. It's beautiful. Good luck!
p.s. Boric Acid used to be the active ingredient in Yeast Arrest. But the stupid FDA made them take it out, so the new version of Yeast Arrest doesn't have it. I tried it but the strong smell was off putting. You have to make your own capsules now.
adamantplatypus 23rd-Nov-2011 10:48 am (UTC)
Yeah. I was on a boric acid wash and that fixed everything. Two days after the course stopped the BV came back.

I'm glad it worked for you, but it's a no-go for me. :(
itsnotcatching 30th-Nov-2011 06:29 pm (UTC)
i wonder if you should try the capsules instead of just the wash? With the capsules it may be more concentrated and easy to get all the way up there... goodluck!
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itsnotcatching 30th-Nov-2011 06:31 pm (UTC)
that is funny... Seriously it seems like anything you can safely put in your eyes is safe for anywhere else on your body you can reach... why do they wish so specifically to deprive us of the benefit to our lady bits?
patchworkorange My experience23rd-Nov-2011 01:51 pm (UTC)
I use boric acid twice a wk, and have for about a year now for chronic BV. Our vaginal pH can just be off...doesn't mean that you have an infection but you will have the odor and other ickiness. Having too alkaline of a pH level can almost certainly predict an infection, however. Garderella flourishes in that environment.

I use a capsule twice a wk. If your BV returns you may just be chronic, like me. I know I'll be on this till my hormones regulate. It is the simplest, cheapest option to stay somewhat "normal".
itsnotcatching Re: My experience30th-Nov-2011 06:36 pm (UTC)
yes i suspect i am a bit alkaline by nature and i will always have the stuff on hand now and just pop one up as needed.
nickelshoe 23rd-Nov-2011 03:17 pm (UTC)
"Not for internal use" is not the clearest warning. I think it usually means "do not ingest."
archangelbeth 23rd-Nov-2011 04:11 pm (UTC)
The FDA thing isn't that they don't like it 'cause it works. It's that boric acid is automatically a "generic" (can't patent the formula!) so no pharma company wants to spend the money running the tests to show that it works and is safe to put against mucous membranes. No tests, no proof it is okay. No proof it is okay, no FDA approval.

Basically, boric acid sadly falls into a crack -- other stuff doesn't get tested because its proponents know it would get no results, or harmful results, and lack of FDA approval for those is /good/!

So blame the pharmaceutical companies that see no money in doing the official tests, not the FDA. (And blame the snotmold companies of the past -- and probably present -- who tried/try to sneak bogus stuff past the FDA so they make the rules more and more complex, and thus more and more expensive...)

Yay that boric acid has done the trick for you!
gatehorse 24th-Nov-2011 06:42 am (UTC)
Thank you for this. The FDA is not the enemy here, but I wasn't sure how to say that. Though I also wouldn't necessarily blame the pharmaceutical companies-it does cost a lot of money to do those tests, so why do them when the product is going to remain a generic and you're not going to recoup your losses? It's hard enough to make money on patented drugs, with everything that goes into them. Ideally everything companies do in this world would be for better health, but if they can't make money, they're going to fold...and then we don't get ANY new drugs.

We can blame the snotmold companies though-love that description! :P
archangelbeth 24th-Nov-2011 09:23 pm (UTC)
*evil grin* Thanks!

Considering some of the... not illegal-but-perhaps-morally-dubious stuff that the big pharma companies get up to, to try to extend their patents or convince people that NO! This NEW thing is BETTER than the old new thing that other people can make generics of... If they spent half of their advertising budget, maybe there could be brand-name boric acid capsules, y'know?

They're not all snotmold companies, but some of 'em could be better than they are.

Though if it weren't for the real slimebuckets, the tests might not be so expensive, and a smaller company might think it'd be nifty to have some brand-name OTC stuff. *sigh*
gatehorse 25th-Nov-2011 06:28 am (UTC)
To be honest, I don't really blame them for trying to extend patents. Patents are for what, 20 years? It takes hundreds of millions of dollars to develop one drug, and most of that patent time is drug development. By the time the drug gets approved for the market, companies only have a few years to recoup those millions of dollars. And that's for the few drugs that actually make it to market-many more don't make it, so that's wasted money right there, that can total millions of dollars. Of course, there are reasons for all the testing-we wouldn't want something like another thalidamide incident. I wonder how they make any money at all, but thankfully they do or we wouldn't have what we do today. In my field, unfortunately there are often small enough markets that it's just not possible to do all the testing needed for some drugs, even if we have some good evidence that they may have the desired effect-there are just too few people to buy it.

I agree though, less advertising and more testing!
archangelbeth 25th-Nov-2011 06:59 pm (UTC)
Ehhhhhhh, advertising the drug is a way bigger part of their budget now, if the news is to be believed: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080105140107.htm -- "A new study by two York University researchers estimates the U.S. pharmaceutical industry spends almost twice as much on promotion as it does on research and development, contrary to the industry’s claim."

And "the authors arrived at US$57.5 billion for the total amount spent on pharmaceutical promotion in 2004."

Basically, if they weren't constantly advertising, advertising, advertising... They could plow that money back into invention. (And when the advertising doesn't work, as perhaps in this case, apparently, the cost of the advertising is added to the cost of the medication! "More precisely, since Plavix sales were growing, the ad campaign did not accelerate that growth. However, the price of a Plavix pill increased by 40 cents, or 12%, after the ad campaign began." The people doing the study thought more studies should be done to verify the overall results, though.)

I'd be more sympathetic to big pharma looking for the profitable stuff if there wasn't a fair amount of evidence that the marketing division has up and run away with the rest of the horse, so to speak.

(Not to mention http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110818093052.htm -- "A study led by Mount Sinai School of Medicine researchers of 192 pharmaceutical advertisements in biomedical journals found that only 18 percent were compliant with Food and Drug Administration (FDA) guidelines, and over half failed to quantify serious risks[...]" That's the kind of snotmold behavior that makes the FDA hoops more expensive!)

I do wonder if there might be any special tweakery that could be done to Boric Acid to make it patentable (just as there's a company that apparently patented some strains of lactobacilli!), and thus of interest to some company or other. (Or if VP could raise the funds for a study to get boric acid FDA approved! Bake sale! Crocheted uterus cozies! O:D )
adamantplatypus 24th-Nov-2011 01:24 pm (UTC)
My doctor recommended the boric acid, and put me through to a homeopathic pharmacy that sells it. :D
itsnotcatching 30th-Nov-2011 06:45 pm (UTC)
that is GREAT. I suspect mine would write the script if i asked but she hasn't mentioned the option, just offered more and more metrogel... followed by monistat and on and on...
the bottom line is you have to be very involved to get your best medical options.
itsnotcatching 30th-Nov-2011 06:41 pm (UTC)
Sure, but FDA/big pharm... same difference. Would that they were truly separate entities as intended...
in my opinion this would be a good place for some regulation in which the government (FDA) would step in and say sure you can make drugs and make money off that, that's fair, that's our system, but you have to devote a certain percentage of your efforts to exploring non-revenue generating medical advances. Similar to how they say to developers, sure you can build your condos, but you have to give 10% of the site over to developing a public park or some such...
archangelbeth 30th-Nov-2011 11:52 pm (UTC)
I don't think the FDA is in big pharma's pocket. If they were, they'd be even less effective than they are, 'cause they'd just get bribed to "okay" anything that didn't poison someone in three days or less, probably. O:p

It would definitely be useful to find some way to poke big pharma and their big budgets and tell them they've gotta put in the equivalent of "green space," though!

Now, if I were elected Queen of the Universe.... O;>
nueva_alba 28th-Nov-2011 10:17 pm (UTC)
I'm really glad the boric acid worked well for you. After having suffered from what I'm sure is BV for like three years now, I'm finally going to try this method after every other home remedy has let me down. I live in the UK and boric acid is very difficult to come by here, so I ordered the NF Humco Boric Acid off eBay and it's being shipped from the US, now just waiting on it arriving. I also ordered the 00 capsules from Amazon. Seeing as so many seem to have had good results from this, I'm praying it works well for me.
itsnotcatching 30th-Nov-2011 06:50 pm (UTC)
I'm so excited for you. It will be so so great if this works for you! Please let us know... and try one capsule first just to see how you reacts as i have seen that some women have written that it causes a mild burning sensation for them. I feel like i have the rashiest most sensitive skin on earth and it doesn't burn me one bit so it's hard for me to imagine it being a problem, but better safe than sorry. If it goes well , THEY say that you ought to use two capsules at a time for best results.
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ext_1758781 Boric Acid and BV/Yeast Infection16th-Apr-2013 12:07 pm (UTC)
I have been using Boric acid for many years now. It has made the quality of life so much better for me. I used to get a prescription from my GYN and go to a compounding pharmacy but it was so expensive. I have been ordering the boric acid (medical grade) and capsules from Amazon.com. 1 shipment lasts about 2 years. I suffered many years from both BV and yeast. The smell was embarrassing. I think I became immune to traditional treatments and was guaranteed to have to go to the doctor monthly. I also purchased a capsule machine from amazon.com. Puts the boric acid right in the capsules, no mess. My vajay jay health has never been better. If I get a little yeasty on the outside, I just run warm water in the sink and add boric acid, do a wash while sitting on the toilet. All better. I think I was the most chronic person ever.
ohgodmakeitstop Re: Boric Acid and BV/Yeast Infection30th-Aug-2013 01:03 pm (UTC)
Hiya, has this still been working for you? I feel I have a similar issue, got a typical bout of thrush in early July (so it seemed) with creamy white discharge and itching, treated with one oral pill and a bit of thrush cream and it went away for 5 days only to return (my job involved wearing a bloody Lycra catsuit and we've had a heatwave in UK) everytime I put on the catsuit and mask and started running around (kids show on stage) it came back, not so typica and not really the discharge,l just the itch and soreness mostly vulval and occasionally sore inside (sex is ruined) Argh! Makes me so mad. I waited out 3 more weeks of the show and used only one pessary during which did soothe, then my period would also calm it down because the flow/any natural lubricant makes it less agonising! Anyway it's been 3 weeks since the show finished and I still have a constant itch. An online ob gyn said over treating with one off oral capsules (not a regular course like some ppl get prescribed) kills the albicans but there is now a trend for glabrata (a more resistant strain) to replace it, seems like I might have this but tests are proving inconclusive, no STIs, BV and no yeast (although i think u have to request they culture for glabrata). I have an appointment with a gynaecologist on 10th September (12 days!!!) and my mum thinks I should wait to see him but I am dying here, partly out of the burning, itching and also anxiety that its something more serious. I'm in UK so harder to find boric acid but has it worked for people?
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