4:42 pm - 06/25/2007

Rapist freed by judge because girl was dressed "provocotively"

http://www.yelp.com/redir?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.news.com.au%2Fstory%2F0%2C23599%2C21969117-2%2C00.html

Anyone else see this, and feel amazingly angry?

So, it's okay to rape women who are 16 years old, or who look like it? And, a 34-year-old man having sex with at 10/16 year old girl isn't statutory rape? Furthermore, this girl was a ward of the state, and thus the government that was responsible for her, and thusly that she should be appropriately clothed and supervised, is the same one saying this means her attack was acceptable?!

Oi. I'm overwhelmed by this. Any British ladies around with some insight? Anyone else need to vent after reading this? I know I did.

EDIT: More info from the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6237480.stm

(x-posted to my personal journal)
sensorium 25th-Jun-2007 11:51 pm (UTC)
That is so unbelieveable fucked up. I mean...wow. That makes me want to cry :( That poor girl--not only to have gone through something as terrible as that, but then to be told that it was 'her fault'. That is so beyond terrible.
surreal_angela 26th-Jun-2007 12:03 am (UTC)
And here I was thinking Western society had evolved past the point of blaming a rape victim for what happened to them...
nicolesvoice 26th-Jun-2007 12:17 am (UTC)
I agree. I thought that at the very least legally we had moved past this.
ex_aprilsho 26th-Jun-2007 04:11 pm (UTC)
That's what I was thinking. Okay, so she looked older. But since when was it okay to rape anyone? I'm 22 and I look 18 sometimes but that doesn't mean I deserve to be attacked, or vice versa for someone dressing up their age a bit.

Seeing as the judge has done something similar in the past, his authority should definitely be challenged. From a very, very sad perspective, the judge could very well be sympathetic to pedophiles and even one himself for all we know.
spokenonlyonce 26th-Jun-2007 12:53 am (UTC)
I know what you mean. I mean, sure, the sexualization of children--including dressing provocatively at younger and younger ages--is another issue that I have with society. But it's another fucking issue. Even if she was walking around naked she didn't deserve to be RAPED. And bringing up the whole dressing thing in that context makes a person sound like a complete sleazeball.

Jesus Christ.

(not just ranting about your friend, btw, but because I think his sentiment is probably something a lot of people would say, and that pisses me off).
___littlelotte 26th-Jun-2007 04:10 am (UTC)
i don't care if she was JUST wearing underwear, there's no way that she knew the implications or should be seen as anything but a victim when two GROWN MEN act on pure animalistic instincts rather than, i don't know, use their brains.
eatmyveggies 26th-Jun-2007 08:34 am (UTC)
yeah, and in the article it said she wore a strappy tank top and jeans.

THAT'S provocative?

that judge was a fucking scumbag and he deserves life along with the criminal he's releasing. another crime just waiting to happen :(
steppinrazor 26th-Jun-2007 05:58 am (UTC)
To be honest, I should be allowed to frolic naked through the streets without ever worrying that someone might think I'm "asking for it". That's just indefensible.
eatmyveggies 26th-Jun-2007 08:34 am (UTC)
RAmen
incarnated_joy Re: Pardon me being so blunt, but...26th-Jun-2007 12:21 am (UTC)
Seconded.
cassie_ze_tepid so...26th-Jun-2007 12:33 am (UTC)
if dressing provacitivley = rape is okay

does that mean that if i dress up like an old lady i can retire and have social security?

angry sarcasm aside, i think it's ridiculous that the fact that she was RAPED is being looked passed. it's suddenly legal to rape 16 yr olds?

the fact that this happens makes me very angry. why is this judge still practicing? his previous case they mentioned in the article was almost as crazy.

75togo Re: so...26th-Jun-2007 01:14 pm (UTC)
I don't know what the age of consent is in her area. I believe this was a case of statuatory rape, so age was the issue and 16 vs. 10 could make a difference. It was still a ridiculous thing for the judge to say but I don't think it went down quite the was you think.
kittybacklash Re: so...26th-Jun-2007 03:20 pm (UTC)
16 is the age of consent in England and I think he was trying to say that she consented to sex. It's what I read in the paper yesterday.
skyladagaz 26th-Jun-2007 12:37 am (UTC)
that's just horrible :(
interrupted21 26th-Jun-2007 01:01 am (UTC)
i could've sworn the "she was asking for it" defense went out the window ages ago.


and since when is a TEN YEAR OLD able to be held accountable for ANYTHING they do?


grrr.
senatorsfan 26th-Jun-2007 02:18 am (UTC)
There are two very scary messages in this judge's ruling:

1) It is okay to rape someone if they dress provocatively; in such cases the rape is always the victim's fault and

2) It is also okay to rape children if they look like consenting adults; by extension, this makes the rape of consenting adults legal.

This absolutely sickens me. I cannot even imagine what sorts of emotional problems that poor child will now have to deal with. My heart goes out to her.
75togo 26th-Jun-2007 01:16 pm (UTC)
Well, the argument was that the sex was consensual and that the rape involved was statuatory rape.
ainadal 26th-Jun-2007 03:06 am (UTC)
utterly and completely sickening.
princess_kessie 26th-Jun-2007 03:28 am (UTC)
Ye gods.

I was 15, in my prim and proper school uniform, and I was jumped by a group of my schoolmates in the sand dunes on my way home from school and pack-raped by seven 15 year old boys.

Was I dressed provocatively? Apparently so.
Did I look older than 15? Apparently so.
Did I look like I should have consented to this act? Apparently so. Yeah, every 15 year old virgin is just begging to be pack-raped by seven boys.
Was I the school slut? No. I was a virgin and a quiet, bookworm geek with no friends who ate alone, walked alone and worked alone.

Did the boys get punished? No. One got a slap on the wrist (he got told off by the magistrate) one got a good behaviour bond, the other five weren't even arrested because they all kept their mouths shut and I could only identify two of them.

I was then raped by my first partner (common law marriage/de-facto) over a two year period. And then again by my first husband (happily now my ex-husband) over an 18 month period.

I was told time and time again that it is not rape when you live with someone/are married to someone - but the degraded and depraved acts I was forced into under threat of bodily harm were horrible - and definitely not with my consent - so in my eyes they were definitely rape.

So did I bring it on myself? In the first instance, no. I was a fat teenage girl with no friends who spent most lunchtimes in the library. I was not popular. I was not the school slut - I was still a virgin - but I was an easy target because I was quiet and I walked alone.

In the second instance? Perhaps I could have gotten out earlier, but being abused saps your energy and self-esteem, making it incredibly hard to leave, especially with no family support.

In the third instance? Perhaps I should have seen it coming when he hit me on our wedding night - but I was blinded by my feelings for him. I became dependent on him very quickly because of his domineering attitude (he wanted a 'surrendered wife' but didn't tell me this until AFTER the wedding.) and his aggression and violent behaviour. For a long time I was afraid for my family if I left (he threatened to kill them if I left) but eventually the blinkers fell away and I saw him for the weakling bully that he was. I didn't care what he did to me - I knew I was strong enough to survive. But there was no way he was going to touch my family!!!

Rape has absolutely NOTHING to do with sex - it is purely about having power over someone else. Men generally are the ones with the tool to be able to force this act upon other people (male and female, but predominantly female) as they tend to be the aggressors in most areas (it's a Y chromosome thing), but increasingly, some women are beginning to find ways of being the aggressor - which is very sad.

In ALL circumstances there is ABSOLUTELY NO JUSTIFICATION FOR RAPE. It is NEVER OK to RAPE anyone or anything.
eatmyveggies 26th-Jun-2007 08:42 am (UTC)
intimate partner/spousal rape is REAL and seriously needs to be addressed.

my first boyfriend also raped me when i was 14. it was only the first time, but after that i was so emotionally turned down that i never refused again.

stories like this make it even harder for womyn and children to report. is there any kind of protection against retaliation? :(
nephron 26th-Jun-2007 05:58 am (UTC)
Just to clarify a couple of things- the man was 24, not 34, and I believe the age of consent is 16 in Britain.

So if she had actually been 16, and she had given consent, it would not have been statutory rape.

There are two separate issues here- that she was 10 (and thus legally unable to consent) and that she may have been forced or coerced (which would make it rape even if she were 16, however that was disputed by the defence).
75togo 26th-Jun-2007 01:19 pm (UTC)
Thanks for pointing this out. I think some people are a little confused about the issue.
zayichik 27th-Jun-2007 03:53 am (UTC)
I agree with you. However, i refuse to believe that ANY 10 year old can look anything but tenuously 16. In which case, if a man can't tell/isn't sure, he'd better think twice and back off, and if not, throw his ass in jail for a long time. Also, if supposedly she DID "come onto him", wasnt the way she talked/acted a dead giveaway that she's much y ounger. There's usually quite a difference between a 10 yo and a 16 yo.

Either way, this case seems clear to me. No matter what the guy says he thought, sex with 10 yo IS NEVER OK, so he should get life, which hopefully will deter other perverts from having sex when the circumstances are dubious.
nephron 27th-Jun-2007 04:03 am (UTC)
The problem I see with the automatic life sentence is that there's no motivation for the offender to keep the child alive.
dayglow 26th-Jun-2007 06:18 am (UTC)
I'm angered by so many different parts of this that I don't even know where to start. First off, how is wearing strappy tanks and jeans constituting looking older? I wear f'ing tube tops and I still look like I'm 14. And as much as makeup does for people, seriously. A 10 year old girl in makeup is not going to look 16. Her facial structure just isn't going to look right. There's that whole 'puberty' thing and whatnot.

And then, just, ugh. WHAT DO YOU MEAN SHE ASKED FOR IT ESSENTIALLY. SHE'S 10. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW OLD THE GUY IS BECAUSE HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER.

....and I'm going to stop here before the capsmonster eats my keyboard, but you all understand my point, I think.
ebolajez 26th-Jun-2007 11:06 am (UTC)
"having sex with at 10/16 year old girl isn't statutory rape?"

As someone has already pointed out, the age of consent in Britain is 16.

The prison sentence is absolutely unnacceptable. Sadly, it seems to be part of the trend at the moment, with criminals getting shorter and shorter sentences.

What horrifies me is that these people can even find lawyers to defend them! The girl was only ten years old, yet the sex was consensual?? Words fail me.
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