7:08 am - 07/04/2012

So I probably have herpes

Not a thing I ever thought I would ever say. I've had two partners in my whole life, and used condoms with both until I felt comfortable with them (which isn't to say I'm less deserving or whatever, illness don't discriminate; I'm just more surprised than if I'd had a long string of sexual partners in my past). I'm going through what I assume must be the usual reaction: some combination of shock and denial, followed by numbness, followed by a lame attempt at telling myself it means absolutely nothing and says nothing about me as a human being, and that it'll all be okay, my life isn't over, I can still do all the things I want, aside from having irresponsible sex, which isn't something I thought I was having anyway (and possibly a threesome, which was on my bucket list and will probably stay there forever now). I have a bit of anger, both at myself for being an idiot and making myself susceptible to it (and I guess for not getting tested sooner or something, I don't know), and for not insisting on my boyfriend getting tested before we moved to condomless sex, or sex at all (but we sort of had a one-night stand that turned into many night stands before we were dating; these things happen I guess), because he's had like, six partners before me and had never been tested. But I guess we both fell victim to the delusion that we could never possibly have anything because we're white and middle class and aren't that that promiscuous, and STIs only happen to people who party hard and can't remember their partners' names, right?

Anyway, I'm still just waiting on results, but I feel confident that it's going to come back positive. My physical symptoms seem to be textbook case, and the doctor debated with himself whether or not to start me on a treatment right then and there, saying that if it works, then I know I have it, at which point he said, "I'll just call you back in in two weeks." He wanted to biopsy one of my sores, but they're extremely painful just to touch, and one is located very close to my clitoris, so we went to the blood test route.

I guess I just need some moral support. Since yesterday (when I went to my gyno) I haven't felt like myself. I feel restless and like someone just shoved me into a body I didn't ask for (even though I clearly didn't do anything to protect myself, or I wouldn't be in this situation). Normally, I feel sexy being naked with my boyfriend; now I feel like I want to put layers and layers of clothes on and just hide myself, because, even though he's likely the one I got it from, what if he breaks out in hideous sores all over his body because of me or something crazy stupid like that? I'm sure I feel worse because of the physical pain and discomfort I'm in, but still. I'm stuck at this point of "what do I do now?" Do I call my parents with the news? Do I change my Facebook status? Do I have to buy all new clothes? Start saving money to pay for costly daily medication? I'm supposed to be at the beach this weekend. Can I wear a bathing suit? Is swimming with herpes like swimming when you're on your period, and it's just one of those courtesy things you don't do (unless you have a menstrual cup or tampon in), because you could infect other people or the fish or something? In my head, I know nothing has changed, but in my heart I feel like everything has changed.

What are my chances of getting a false positive or false negative because of getting the blood test done? I hear it's far less reliable than biopsying a sore. Is it true they can tell how long you've had the virus from looking at the blood test results?

Does anyone have suggestions for managing the pain and discomfort? Mostly it hurts the most when I pee. This morning I went to the bathroom when I woke up, and I haven't felt burning pain that bad since I had a cyst lanced when I was younger and was essentially peeing on an open sore while it was healing up. I had to grit my teeth to keep from screaming.

And please someone tell me I can feel like myself again once I've adjusted. I feel like an unlovable, unsexy leper. The only thing keeping me from putting a paper bag on my head is the fact that my boyfriend is incredibly supportive. I came home from my appointment and started to cry as soon as I saw him, and he immediately gathered me up into his arms and told me it was going to be okay. And he accepts responsibility if it turns out the blood tests show I've only hard it since the last year and a half, and he's going to get tested himself, and he says he still loves me forever no matter what and that we can still get married and have babies. So there's that. But I still feel like a disappointment or something.
bleed_peroxide 4th-Jul-2012 11:46 am (UTC)
First and foremost, you're not a disappointment, a leper, a failure, unsexy... none of that. It's a natural reaction considering how we're all basically indoctrinated to believe that only sexually promiscuous people get STIs, and that's simply not the case.

You're gonna be okay. ♥
reflectionriver 4th-Jul-2012 02:05 pm (UTC)
I don't know anything about herpes, but just wanted to say that you are not unsexy, a leper, or any of those other things at all. It could happen to anyone. It is understandable to feel upset with yourself and the situation - I think I would too - but the truth of the matter is is that you are none of those things, at all.

It may take some time, but it will be okay. We are always here to talk if you need it! :)
seven_of_five 4th-Jul-2012 02:47 pm (UTC)
I can give you a tip for the pain when peeing (because OMG THAT SHIT IS UNBELIEVABLE) - cold water. A jug of cold water, and pour it over yourself while you pee - awkward, but you can kind of angle yourself while you're sitting. Alternatively, pee in the shower, with cool water aimed between your legs. The water dilutes the urine and you won't feel it much.

This is awful to go through, I know, and I felt pretty much exactly all the things you are feeling. I was pretty devastated and fucked up for a while, but learned to deal, and yes, got back to feeling like myself again. It is SO FUCKING HORRIBLE but you will be okay. (And hey I didn't have a supportive partner, which I hope helps you! I caught it from a one-night-stand - yes, we did use a condom. It happened anyway FML.)

I can tell you that for me, it was only the first episode that was so utterly horrifying - the medication works, the following breakouts were nowhere near as severe (like one sore, a bit of tenderness, that was it) and they came less frequently over time, just like it's supposed to work.
miitensdcat 4th-Jul-2012 03:00 pm (UTC)
You will be OK, even though it does not feel this way now. Do your research on topic, so you will be knowledgable how to deal with it and prevent outbreaks(mainly, support your immune system by minimising stress, getting enough sleep and adequate nutrition, you can also supplement with Zink, Vit C, B complex,Lysine, and herbals that support immune system such as Ecchinacia)
Just to let you know, approximately 1 in 4 females and 1 in 5 males are positive for herpes, but majority don't even know it. Because in many cases it is subclinical(asymptomatic), and some people may be positive for many years or decades before they get their first outbreak, or they might not get it ever. Above statistics are for USA. It is varies slightly for different countries(or lots for some countries). You can google it up.
fushigi_na_chou 4th-Jul-2012 03:46 pm (UTC)
I've been doing so much research today, and it does seem to help. It makes me feel better knowing that the way HSV works is a lot like the way shingles works (in that the virus just chills in your nerves until it decides to surface and be painful and obnoxious), which makes sense, considering shingles/chicken pox are a related herpes virus (though obviously not transmitted sexually). It just sucks that it has to show up on such an intimate area.

Regarding having it for years and being asymptomatic -- my doctor said that chances of having it for a while and not getting an outbreak until now are pretty low; the reason I bring this up is because if I got it from my current boyfriend, no big deal. I'm planning on loving him and sticking with him forever anyway. But if it's from my ex, I'm just itching to call him up with an angry message to convey.
miitensdcat 4th-Jul-2012 04:07 pm (UTC)
I am glad you are reading up on it and feeling better. As for your former boyfriend-there is no sure way to know he gave it to you, and also even if he did-he might have not known it. A do understand it feels very unjust for you to get it and you feel angry about it. Unfortunately, sh&t happens in life, and often there is nothing we could do about it. But letting your former BF know (in a nice way) would definately help him to get aware if he is not, and at least get tested. But again, there is no sure way to know when and how you got exposed to virus, or from who. It is your call what to do with it. Take your time thinking about it, don't rush into things, and treat yourself with care and love. Everything else will fall into place. Hugs,
fushigi_na_chou 4th-Jul-2012 05:17 pm (UTC)
Haha, the only reason I would want to call him and be angry with him is because he had a habit of being a pathological liar when we were together, and told me he'd been tested and given the green light. Of course, I was the dumdum that believed him, so. :/
fushigi_na_chou 4th-Jul-2012 03:43 pm (UTC)
Thank you for that tip. I'll definitely have to try that. It seems to help if I sort of spread my legs a little and use toilet paper to hold the hurty part out of the way. I like the idea of diluting it with water though; seems less complicated.

And I'm glad to know that my feelings aren't totally abnormal and that it does get better (I guess it's the same with anything). I feel like it's something that will always be in the back of my mind. Like this morning. I was cooking pancakes, and I had the thoughts, "I'm making pancakes I probably have herpes." I hope it won't always be that way.

Is the medication expensive? I'm lucky enough to have insurance right now, and I already take birth control everyday, which isn't free for me, and being in sort of a less than ideal financial situation makes paying for another medication a bit of a concern for me. :x
archangelbeth Long and rambling; sorry! (Part 1)4th-Jul-2012 04:12 pm (UTC)
Valcyclovir can be expensive, even with insurance; I've had it cost $40 for 8 pills, same as the brand name. Acyclovir may require more pills, but I understand it to be effective, and much cheaper. I, personally, just keep my Valcyclovir (Valacyclovir? Meh, I kant spel gud) pills in the cabinet for if I feel an outbreak starting -- but I've got oral herpes.

L-Lysine helps some, I think. It's a little hard to tell because I have gotten so fed up with my oral herpes that if I notice it For Definite, I slam it with the anti-virals -- but I take extra L-Lysine for "maybe?" so if the maybe becomes "no," I don't know if it never was, or if the Lysine helped. *wry*

*offers hugs*

Don't beat yourself up about not having your partner(s) get tested. You see, most STD tests won't test for herpes. It's because of a combination of oral herpes -- aka cold sores -- being so amazingly common, and prior decades' herpes tests being a bit unreliable. So people have to ask specifically to be tested for HSV. And even testing doesn't say where someone might have viral shedding; maybe they have antibodies to HSV-1. It could be oral, or it could, almost as easily, be genital. HSV-2 can go oral as well, though it is even better behaved there than HSV-1 is genitally.

If you test negative, you may want to test in another couple months; if you are having your very first outbreak, your immune system may not have built up enough antibodies to HSV to be detectable on a test. On the other hand, if you test negative on a good test brand, it pretty well does mean the vector is your current partner, and not a former one. (And if he's the vector, then he will have antibodies, so the only precautions I would take would be to avoid mucous membranes when/if someone has an outbreak.)

archangelbeth Long and rambling; sorry! (Part 2)4th-Jul-2012 04:12 pm (UTC)
So... If chlorine in swimming pools didn't kill herpes, everyone who swam at all frequently would get it, because cold sores are herpes. If it's a non-chlorinated swimming event, then... Frankly, it's probably fine, but if you feel more comfortable abstaining if you have an outbreak, that's fine.

The only clothing I'd suggest buying would be a nicely opaque, longish skirt, in case you would feel better going commando while healing.

You have absolutely, 100% no need to tell anyone you're not sleeping with, or change your FaceBook status, unless you decide to go on a crusade to remind people that herpes can affect more people than one might think, and cold sores are herpes, and people with herpes (oral or genital or both) are still people, and it's just a stupid virus. If you want to go on that crusade, I would totally support you! But you might want to wait till you are feeling a bit less emotionally vulnerable.

One thing that genital herpes means, that oral herpes doesn't, is that if you are having an outbreak, you might need to have a C-section if you ever have kids of your body. Eye-herpes is not good, and brain-herpes is worse. However, you might also simply go on suppressive doses near your due date, to minimize the chances. (On the flip side, if you only have genital herpes, it is hiding in your spine far away from your brain. Unlike my oral herpes, which is right up there in the vicinity of my face, and which has shown signs of wandering to the nose or down the side of my chin, once. OH HAI NITEMARE FULE I HAZ IT. *facepalm* Rare. Very rare. I remind myself about that.)

Obviously, if you are having an outbreak, don't touch your genital area and then your mouth or eyes, without washing your hands first. (30 seconds and soap will do. Alternatively, if you don't have access to soap, but are sure your hands have been dried for a minute or two, that should be pretty safe.)

If your partner has antibodies, that means that, basically, he'd be immune. If his immune system is compromised, he could get infected in the other area (as, if your immune system is weak, you could auto-infect -- and the eyes are always a little vulnerable), but in general, if you avoid mucous-membrane contact during outbreaks... Well, that's the risk that I and my spouse are willing to take; he thinks he had cold sores as a kid and I definitely have had them, so we just avoid contact if I have an outbreak. Which doesn't mean that I haven't gotten up from, shall we say, giving mucous membrane contact... looked in a mirror, and gone, "OH CRAP! WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN??" and lunged for the anti-virals. But despite that, no obvious outbreaks have occurred on the spouse's mucous membranes since we've been married.

...This is long and rambly but I hope it helps a little!
fushigi_na_chou Re: Long and rambling; sorry! (Part 2)4th-Jul-2012 05:15 pm (UTC)
Beth, your username is quite appropriate. I feel so much better now. How is it you always seem to be a wellspring of knowledge and information?

I guess the good news is that we're certain he does have oral herpes, but he says he's not noticed anything that resembles an outbreak for him in the almost year and a half that we've been together. Which doesn't mean he hasn't been shedding while giving special kisses, which is my guess on how I'm in this mess to begin with. If I'm understanding you correctly (and I'm sure I'll get more information on this in two weeks when I go back to get my test results), abstaining from sex if I'm having an outbreak (while not 100% effective), is fairly effective in protecting him from getting the genital version back?
archangelbeth Re: Long and rambling; sorry! (Part 2)4th-Jul-2012 09:36 pm (UTC)
Yes, even without outbreaks, oral herpes can shed contagious viral particles, and if you didn't have antibodies from a previous oral exposure, that's a distinctly possible vector.

If he has the antibodies, then there is a good chance that even if you had sex during an outbreak, he'd be fine -- the antibodies are all over, and would protect from a genital version. It's not 100%, of course, but almost nothing in life is 100%. Still, when having an outbreak, that's when one is definitely potentially contagious, so avoiding sex then would probably be more reassuring for you at a minimum. (And him as well, potentially.)

I'm glad I was helpful! (And I might try to be more helpful, but I'm getting Distraction right now...)
fushigi_na_chou Re: Long and rambling; sorry! (Part 2)4th-Jul-2012 11:55 pm (UTC)
I can't imagine wanting to do anything while having an outbreak anyway -- it's painful and uncomfortable enough as it is without all that other hullabaloo going on down there. ^^;
archangelbeth Re: Long and rambling; sorry! (Part 2)5th-Jul-2012 04:57 pm (UTC)
There is that! (I generally don't want to kiss much, either, when I've got an oral outbreak... Or anything else. Of course, I then absent-mindedly gnaw on the blister and make it bleed, which winds up with me abstaining till the whole thing heals.)

Thinking good thoughts atcha!
fushigi_na_chou Re: Long and rambling; sorry! (Part 2)5th-Jul-2012 06:44 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much. :)
nonnycat Re: Long and rambling; sorry! (Part 1)4th-Jul-2012 04:19 pm (UTC)
My mom has really bad reoccurring cold sores (she gets them every couple of months), and finds that L-Lysine will cut an outbreak down from over a week to three days max. I have no idea how it would work for genital herpes, though.
archangelbeth Re: Long and rambling; sorry! (Part 1)4th-Jul-2012 04:50 pm (UTC)
(Your mom might want to try hitting with both Lysine and anti-virals -- I was getting some cold sores every fortnight, which is when I said, "TO HECK WITH THIS CRAP!" and laid on the anti-virals and the lysine, both. It apparently broke the cycle... Been cold-sore-free for months now!

Did you know that A: the immune system parks "alert!" cells on the neurons that herpes uses to run up and down from its hiding place in the spine, to keep HSV in check, and B: herpes actually depresses the immune system to cause an outbreak? I can probably dig up those references at need, but it was kind of cool. In an annoying way, regarding B.)
nonnycat Re: Long and rambling; sorry! (Part 1)4th-Jul-2012 05:15 pm (UTC)
Heh, my mom went without getting a pap for something like 7 years because she hated seeing doctors so much. Noooo way in hell will she go in for something that she thinks she can handle perfectly well on her own. (Love my parents, but, their attitude towards medical was NOT particularly helpful as a frequently injured and sick child. -_-)

That actually doesn't surprise me. Viruses are weird things.
archangelbeth Re: Long and rambling; sorry! (Part 1)4th-Jul-2012 09:37 pm (UTC)
I just called my doctor and said, "I'm tired of this cold sore! I want Valtrex!" And they called it in. Didn't need to see the doctor at all! (Mind, I'd suggest saying, "I'm tired of this cold sore! I want acyclovir!" because it's cheaper...)

...I may have my doctor very nearly stubborned into submission, though. >_> I had my spouse call and say, "Need Codeine! Coughing!" And they called it in to the pharmacy.
seven_of_five 4th-Jul-2012 04:35 pm (UTC)
The worst part for me was after the first episode subsided - because thank god it was over, but then having to come to terms with the fact that this was going to be a recurring thing. But then the second episode came along and it wasn't bad at all. Not nice, but manageable, and it was just a relief to know that it was something I could handle. Like, well this really sucks, but I can deal. Good luck!

(Oh, I'm not in the US, so probably can't help with the cost thing, sorry. Quite different health system over here.)
fushigi_na_chou 4th-Jul-2012 05:20 pm (UTC)
It's a relief to know that this should be the worst of it then. I think once I've adjusted, the emotional part won't be as, well, emotional. Thank you again so much for your support. :)
vertbio 4th-Jul-2012 07:58 pm (UTC)
You are NOT a leper! You are a lovely young woman who just happens to have a virus. Some people have cold sores, that's herpes too! It's just that silly stigma surrounding genital herpes. It's obvious that you can get it without being promiscuous. Nobody needs to know about it except your sexual partners, it's personal information, and anybody who judges you for it is not worth knowing anyway.

Anyway, just take it one step at a time. It sounds like you have a wonderful, supportive boyfriend, and you have everybody here who is very knowledgeable and supportive. Everything will be ok!
fushigi_na_chou 4th-Jul-2012 08:37 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure where I'd be without the support I've been getting since yesterday. The more I think about and research it, the better I feel. I mean, I'm not happy about it, but I'm slowly coming to realize it doesn't have to drastically change my life.
elephantus45 5th-Jul-2012 02:28 am (UTC)
I can tell you, first hand, that it does get better. You will feel normal again. The good news is that you know you have it! I didn't see this mentioned, but I skimmed the comments- if you're really hurting, try a drop of tea tree oil on a baby wipe and go over the area. This is a life saver for me! It tingles, but it really helps.
fushigi_na_chou 5th-Jul-2012 01:31 pm (UTC)
Ooh I like that idea. I'll have to try that. Where can I get tea tree oil?
elephantus45 6th-Jul-2012 12:02 pm (UTC)
I get mine from target, in the aisle with all the supplement pills and protein bars and such. Its a life saver, really :P
jocelina Safe Space Reminder6th-Jul-2012 04:17 am (UTC)
Hi there,

I'm so sorry to hear that you're going through a rough patch. It sounds like the feedback you've gotten here has been helpful, though, and I hope that it continues to be. :)

That said, I'm writing as a VP maintainer with a request regarding our safe space policy. Would you mind editing your post so that it does not include the word "lame" to mean "ineffectual," or the word "crazy" to mean "bad/ridiculous"? Using those terms that way can be alienating and hurtful to some members.

This is a friendly reminder to please review VP's policies to help us make VP a nicer place for everyone. You can follow these links for more information:

--What are VP's rules?
--What is "safe space"? What does "empowerment" mean? What does "accountability" look like?
--What is VP's language policy?
--Feminist With Disabilities: Ableist Word Profile


Please don't think we're scolding you or don't want you here. We issue these reminders to help our members acknowledge and include everyone, and to help keep VP a safe space for all. We hope you'll continue to participate in VP with this in mind. Safe space means a lot to many of our members, and it's amazing how much we can help just by being a little more careful with what we say.

If you'd like to talk more, your thoughts are welcome in contact_vp or via email (vpteam@vaginapagina.com). However, we just ask that you not discuss your reminder in this VP thread.

Thanks for understanding, and hope you're feeling better.


Jocey
for the VP Team
contact_vp
This page was loaded May 18th 2013, 11:12 am GMT.