2:40 am - 08/31/2003

So there is an I Heart Vaginas community here on livejournal, which…

So there is an I Heart Vaginas community here on livejournal, which I joined and made a post totally dedicated to me loving my vagina and it's ways. I in no way, shape, or form forced my views on others. I did not yell at them and tell them to love their cunt blood.

Hi. I'm Megan. I have a cunt. I love my cunt. I love all her parts. I love her scent. I love her hair. I love her labia, which are not straight-male style porn labia. She does not have a name, for I haven't found a name that is excellent enough to fit her.

I love when I bleed. I love the excitement that I'm being cleansed, that my uterus will soon start growing a new lining. I play with my blood, letting it settle in my hand and then putting designs on paper with it. Of moons and flowers, drawn in kindergarten-esque ways. I take baths during times in which I bleed, watching and wanting the blood to flow out and change the colour of the water. I am then so surrounded in my own womanhood, loving every bit of it. I enjoy the cramps I get. I feel much comfort in them, I know what my uterus is doing. I refuse to wear tampons. I wore one once this month when going out with friends I knew wouldn't be very accepting of leakage. I felt dirty. Just knowing that a bleached wad of cotton is up my vagina, scrapping my vaginal walls, possible causing TSS made me so uncomfortable. Never again. My current method is staining loads of kitchen rags, folding them up and letting them soak it up. If it gets soaked to the point of bleeding over, I unfold it, fold it again in a empty spot. A completely soaked rag excites me, like a trophy or something. I can't quite afford a keeper right now, but when I can.. it'll be great.

I've read Cunt by Inga Muscio. If you haven't read it... I feel sorry for you and urge you to go out and buy it or rent it from the library.

I've read and seen Vagina Monologues by Eve Ensler and also urge everyone to experience that. I recited clitoris facts to people at a camp I went to, making the males jealous and the females feel empowered. Other women read them outloud. Previously, these women got nervous when I mentioned masturbation. Now, they are starting to accept and love their vaginas and other vaginas. It was so exciting to me. If you have reading suggestions PLEASE tell me.

I listen to Bitch & Animal, Ani Difranco, Le Tigre, and various other cunt-positive musicians. If you have any other suggestions, do tell.

My vagina loves to be talked about. She hates being told she should smell a certain way. She hates when people refer to vaginas as "down there." She loves it when I masturbate. She loves it how I don't shave and don't scratch her up with wads of dry cotton. She loves orgasms. She hates penises and how the word vagina means "sheath for sword." She loves it when I surround myself with other people with vaginas.

I am rambling. I am new. I expect lots of posts, but the no-drama policy saddens me, for I hate censorship. I'm hoping that rule will eventually be taken away, because I love debating and I hate wondering if what I'm posting is fitting to the rules.

I am posting that here in fear that my original post will be deleted and people will not understand what's going on here.

Anyway, what the deal is, is that I got banned from the community (or said to be banned, I'm still there, I don't think the moderators know how to ban) and was written a very hateful post from on of the moderators here. I suppose I'm posting here because I feel that my post would be more appreciated here and maybe even looking for support that I wasn't out of line, especially in a community dedicated to loving vaginas. You know?
ex_hiddendre377 31st-Aug-2003 01:34 am (UTC)
how old are they? 12?
childofcrow 31st-Aug-2003 02:16 am (UTC)
Fucking ridiculous, they are. *shakes her head*
essenceofthemus 31st-Aug-2003 02:18 am (UTC)
I see absolutely nothing wrong with your post... if nothing else I can relate. You're a pretty decent writer as well. *applause* Oh and Cunt was an awesome book! I am in love with it... totally...
livingdeadgyrl 31st-Aug-2003 02:20 am (UTC)

Their two-facedness disgusts me. You're welcome here with open arms.
sadisticclone 31st-Aug-2003 02:30 am (UTC)
...mmmkay! That's odd because it seems like people were bashing you who before said you were their hero.. Oh well.. I feel the same way about baths during my period.. it's fun to see the blood float around and how beautiful it looks.

Besides.. how scary is a mod who can't ban? :)
hatebear 31st-Aug-2003 02:41 am (UTC)
Fuck THAT! I think it's a GOOD post! More power to ya! You got some hardcore pussy love happenin' and if that's not a cool, good thing...I don't know what IS!

pillu you go girl!31st-Aug-2003 02:44 am (UTC)
fuck what they think. They have listen to too many media ideals. I love my blood too! I'f I had a tub, I'd be sitting the water watching the colour change. Those people seem so immature and two-faced. Your veiws are safe here :D
sivatonight 31st-Aug-2003 07:02 am (UTC)
For some reason, I get the feeling that the i_heart_vaginas community is trying to spoof our wonderful community here. :\

I loved your post, and I'm glad you added it here where more people can appreciate it and not just respond with "OMG UR SOOOOOOO GROSS LIKE SERIOUSLY EWWWWW."

Some people's children ...
stellalunatic 31st-Aug-2003 07:05 am (UTC)
Holy shit, are they for real? "Not because we are at one with our womenhood?"

I guess that is what you get for joining a community run by mallrats from Pasadena or something.

"Like, omigod, my woowoo is bleeding again. Pass the floral douche, Buffy, I think I am going to, like, gag from the smell."
stellalunatic 31st-Aug-2003 07:05 am (UTC)

mactavish 31st-Aug-2003 07:29 am (UTC)

Kids today.
obfuscate 31st-Aug-2003 07:41 am (UTC)
Though I think your post is great, I get a big eyerolling fit whenever people start gushing over Cunt. One of the biggest wastes of $16.07 I've ever made. There are certainly some interesting and useful things in that book, but mostly Inga Muscio strikes me as someone who has no idea about the world outside her little head.
norevisions 31st-Aug-2003 08:58 am (UTC)
I think your post is wonderful! You should have come here in the first place :P
quixotic 31st-Aug-2003 09:17 am (UTC)
i noticed some of you guys went over there and made comments calling those kids immature and such things.

now, i know what they did was offensive, but there are better ways to deal with them than that. the girls who run this community are very young and probably haven't been exposed to a point of view like ours.

if you go to this entry, you can see where one of the moderators of that community said the following:

but in regards to your comment you have made some good points. when mel and myself started this here community we didnt expect posts like that. hell, it freaked me out. i wasn't sure what to think of it. i thought it was maybe a joke. 'who knows' i though. i didn't know the vaginapagina community existed therefore i didn't think people were that serious.

yes, i am being immature about this. only because i can't believe this has caused so much drama.

their crime is not malice. it's ignorance. instead of judging them, we should try to help them learn.

sixstringknife 31st-Aug-2003 09:26 am (UTC)
i actually turned 18 on wednesday. i guess that's classed as young?
harpseal 31st-Aug-2003 10:13 am (UTC)
Yes 18 can still be young, most women don't start breaking thier litte "follow the leader" frame of mind til thier early 20's. Some of you, I fear, never will. I was 21 before I learned to love my vagina, and finally began thinking about her in ways other than suickish. Once you truly love your vagina and your aprricate your menses, you will be childish, no matter what your age.

pinkie_kat 1st-Sep-2003 08:27 pm (UTC)
It doesn't matter whether you're eighteen or forty-eight. An age does not dictate a mentality. If you cannot accept someone who is comfortable with themselves, especially when they maintain that self-acceptance around bashers and closed-minded people like them (and if I am not mistaken, you were amidst the bashers) then yes, that's being young and immature.

It just saddens me to think that someone can possibly consider ketchonade's post disgusting and grounds to be banned.
true 31st-Aug-2003 02:21 pm (UTC)
right here, quixotic is right on the money.
It's about ignorance. I just hope the mods
edit their community info. page to to state
what the community was truly started for in
the first place. :)
ladycommissar 31st-Aug-2003 11:30 am (UTC)
Funny how you all label everyone in another community immature, when you are being just as immature and spiteful by complaining about it here How wonderfully sanctimonious of you. :P

Keep in mind that the "I Heart Vaginas" community was created by two friends as a clique for themselves, only to grow into a larger community of sorts. IMO that gives them every right to regulate it as they please.

Personally, I didn't find anything wrong with your post myself and thought it was overkill for the owners to ban you. However, that is their right considering it is their community. I just find all this bickering extremely childish and believe everyone is being immature here.
tree 31st-Aug-2003 02:30 pm (UTC)
if you read her original post here, you'll find that she neither calls anyone immature, nor does she complain about it. she expresses her confusion and posts it again here because: I feel that my post would be more appreciated here and maybe even looking for support that I wasn't out of line.

in addition, nowhere in the userinfo for the i_heart_vaginas community does it state that it was created by two friends as a clique for themselves. it gives every appearance of being a serious vagina lovin' community.

i disagree with you that expressing opinions is immature. what is immature is acting precipitously about things you don't understand and failing to learn from others or new experiences.
ladycommissar 31st-Aug-2003 03:22 pm (UTC)
I was referring to the general comments in this thread and her comments left in the community, in which she linked to this post here. I'm sorry if you expect me to comment based on her post alone and not all of the 20-so comments that make up this entire thread. :P
sooz 31st-Aug-2003 02:31 pm (UTC)

ps: i don't dig the penis hatred part of the post. I don't see what hating anything has to do with loving your vagina.
ketchonade 31st-Aug-2003 08:54 pm (UTC)
I never once called their moderators immature nor did I tell them to come over here or members of this community to go over there. The main reason I posted over here is that I was being called gross and a freak and I wanted to know that many others felt or understood the way I felt. I also thought that a post that did not go something along the lines of, "I have a problem..." was needed, and that the post that was first made in the i_heart_vaginas community would be good for here. I never expected this much drama out of all of this, and I apologise if it has bothered anyone here. Yes, they can ban me, it is their community, their right. But it's also my right to be upset about it. I don't feel like my post is out of line here, nor that I'm being childish.

As for the penis hatred, I agree with you that hating penises has nothing to do with my vagina love. That was a pretty shitty part of my post. I will own up to that. My main reasoning for putting it in there in the first part was because I believed that vagina originally meant "sheath for sword" (but I am wrong in that too, I've been told) and that pissed me off, being both a feminist and a woman who dates other women. But yes, I worded it wrong. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.
lulunoelle 31st-Aug-2003 12:22 pm (UTC)
I don't think you are out of line at all and you wrote a very excellent post. It seems to me it was not appreciated because the other community you speak of is run by 12-year-olds. Don't even feel bad that they did not accept your views. VaginaPagina is the place for you my cunt-lovin' friend.
driveon 31st-Aug-2003 12:37 pm (UTC)
if anything, your post made me happy to be a woman. thank you. it brightened my day.
childofcrow 31st-Aug-2003 12:58 pm (UTC)
What is 'maturity', really? I mean, we can call each other immature all we want, but what does that do? It just perpetuates it further.

Someone said the mods had the right to delete the post, and they did. But I can understand why someone would be hurt because they joined what they thought to be a serious community, poured their heart out, and then got called gross.

Stop blaming each other, and try to see it from the other point of view. Yeah, I know I said in an earlier comment 'are you 12, or what?'. I was wrong to assign numbers, because age is not a number... it's a state of mind. Some people are down with their bodies, some aren't. I'm not a fan of my own blood, but it doesn't mean that I should condemn others for not sharing my belief.

I don't agree with the mods, and as far as I can see, only half of them are being at all reasonable. One of you said you are 18... but, really, how much life experience have you had? I don't know, and I can't judge you... but from what I see it as, it would be the same thing if you went to a Jewish community (because, hypothetically, you were Jewish), joined, and posted something, and everyone ragging on you because of what you believe. Calling you 'gross' and 'weird' because you like to play with your dreidel.

Where is all the bloody tolerance?

I think I've exhausted my point, and as far as I can see, this 'war' is over.
kalijean 31st-Aug-2003 01:41 pm (UTC)
I think calling someone immature is a nicer way of saying they're an obnoxious little twit. I don't think there's much more to it than that.
noedgesucka 31st-Aug-2003 02:42 pm (UTC)
am i the only person that's a member of 'i_heart_vaginas' that supports ketchonade? i found her post to be very interesting, and although that is not what i do to my own body, i support her in every way possible.

i heart vagina's is a young community moderated by young members. just because one of the mods just turned 18 doesn't mean she's not immature. hell, i'm 18 and i KNOW i'm still immature. age is not an excuse, natasha.

anyways.. i'm glad to see everyone in this community has stood up for ketchonade. and hopefully i'm proving to everyone that not all of the members in ihv are immature 12 year olds.

sixstringknife 31st-Aug-2003 02:55 pm (UTC)
i didn't say i wasn't immature.
tink_tendencies 31st-Aug-2003 06:16 pm (UTC)
i had joined that community too and when i saw how they wrote that really mean post, i left. it was horrible!
alliayha 31st-Aug-2003 06:24 pm (UTC)
I find that an empowering entry. I am glad that you have posted it here, so that we can read it also.

i know that only recently did i come to appreciate the beuty and the excellance of ones own period. VARY recently. It only happened when i became more educated, when i learned more of what happens during ones period. Those girls just do not see it yet. The reality is that at their age for them it would be out of line and probably "unpopular".

It has taken me a while to get to the stage that i am at now, it has take most of us a while to get to the stage we are at now, and at least we have gotten there. i am glad that you posted this for us to read. it was a releif.

Thank you

butterflysnf 1st-Sep-2003 01:37 am (UTC)
i love your post.
i went over there and almost wrote a comment,i do not think it would had help you,because they really do not want to listen.
your post is well writen and i will post it in my lj journal for my woman friends <3

thanks for sharing

caberfling 1st-Sep-2003 12:24 pm (UTC)
I liked your post, and I also think it's perfectly okay for people to feel grossed out by some of it too. There are so many reasons for this. Part of it is the fact that with the exception of seeing blood once a month from menses, when we do see it, it's red! It's there! And yes, it's scary, because it's supposed to be in your body, not wherever else it is. Red blood is alarming. And even though menses is different than gushy blood coming out of your veins or whatever the case may be, it still can be strange to see. It's unnatural to see blood outside of your blue lines unless you're menstruating, and even that can take some getting used to. Yeah, especially if you're a vegetarian. ;)

I think it's okay that you got some posts stating negative feelings on what you stated based on feelings. A post like that makes a person feel, and you can't help what is triggered when you read that. And this does not include the really freaky-ass repsonses like YOUR DUM or whatever that stuff was. I'm just saying, just as it's good you got supportive responses, it's good you got others too, because not everyone feels the same about this and it shows that you have helped others to see a new (and healthier, in my eyes) perspective on womanhood.

We don't all have to agree on opinions of what's good; we ought to agree that we won't feel the same about everything. I love my cramps too, because it makes me feel all healthy and such, but for others it is an experience of pain and non-happiness because of the pain. I don't think that's bad at all. It's just the way things are.

But that's just my opinion, based on my feelings. Yay, vaginae.
ex_tinker_be53 2nd-Sep-2003 12:02 am (UTC)
I think the post was beautiful!

In most ways, I feel that way myself. I wish I could go without using tampons, but the people I'm around have a hard enough time dealing with my unshaven-ness (everywhere, not just on my cunt). My boyfriend would accept it, openly and happily, but he's away for now.

You and I like the same music, even!

What did they say to you when you posted it in the other community? HOw immature!
righteousbean 2nd-Sep-2003 06:50 am (UTC)
You guys are insane.
jaclyn 3rd-Sep-2003 05:41 am (UTC)
I just wanted to say that I am sorry you were exposed to such ignorance.

But you must realize it for all it's worth. Nothing.

They go to sleep ignorant and afraid.
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