10:49 pm - 02/01/2008

coconut oil + condoms = ?

My boy and I like to use coconut oil as a natural lubricant.  It works great and we love the smell, taste, texture, feel... etc.
Since going off HBC, we have started using condoms. I heard that using certain oils such as coconut oil makes condoms thin out and therefor have a higher possibility of breakage - is this true???

Thank you in advance.
metalkprtty1day 2nd-Feb-2008 04:10 am (UTC)
I believe that any oil based lubricant is a no-no with condoms. Have you thought about using withdrawal in conjunction with HBC. (Assuming both you and your partner are STI free?) That might give you (and your boy) some added peace of mind, and then you don't have to worry about damaging any condoms. (It's cheaper too!)
travelingrl 2nd-Feb-2008 04:12 am (UTC)
hmm I just got off HBC - don't want to go back :P

good to know though - thanks (:
metalkprtty1day 2nd-Feb-2008 04:17 am (UTC)
Oh sorry, my bad. I thought you were saying that you were using condoms since you started HBC.
travelingrl 2nd-Feb-2008 04:19 am (UTC)
nope (:
we haven't actually used a condom yet but we bought some..... but yeah, I just went off of HBC about two weeks ago.
frkyjenn 2nd-Feb-2008 04:32 am (UTC)
I was a little confused to because in your initial post you say "Since going on HBC" and never mentioned going off of them.

From This page http://www.infoforhealth.org/pr/j44/j44chap11_c.shtml

Q.5. Should latex condoms be used with oil-based lubricants?
Recommendation: No. Latex condoms should not be used with oil-based lubricants or products that have an oil as a major ingredient. Oils weaken condoms and can increase the risk of breakage.

Clients who use condoms should be counseled on what locally available non-oil-based lubricants are appropriate with condom use.

Some substances that cause deterioration of latex condoms within an hour of exposure are mineral oil, baby oil, petroleum jelly, suntan oil, olive oil, peanut oil, corn oil, sunflower oil, palm oil, margarine, coconut oil, dairy butter, insect repellents, burn and hemorrhoidal ointments, rubbing alcohol, cod oil, and shark oil. Lubricants that contain these products should not be recommended for use with latex condoms.

Other products that weaken latex condoms are specific vaginal creams, vaginal spermicides, and sexual lubricants. Some of the brands that were identified as harmful to condoms are:

* Vaginal creams (Monistat, Estrace, Femstat, Vagisil, and Premarin),
* Vaginal spermicides (Rendell's Cone and Pharmatex Ovule), and
* Sexual lubricants (Elbow Grease, Hot Elbow Grease, and Shaft).

Rationale: Mineral oil has been shown to weaken latex condoms significantly with an exposure time of 60 seconds.

Studies have found that some condom users think products that wash off easily with water are water-based and therefore acceptable to use with condoms. However, several of the lotions that clients labeled as water-based contained mineral oil as a main ingredient (10, 114, 286).

Recommendation: Products that are considered water-based have not been shown to be harmful to condoms. Water-based lubricants may reduce the risk of condom failure.

Rationale: One study found lower condom failure rates when condoms were used with water-based lubricants. However, more research is needed (92).
travelingrl 2nd-Feb-2008 04:34 am (UTC)
MY BAD! it was a typo! sorry! it's fixed now.

thanks for all the info!!! (:
frkyjenn 2nd-Feb-2008 04:36 am (UTC)
LOL

No problem. I totally understand typos. plus I figured it's none of my business if you choose to use HBC and condoms.
So I googled and found what I could to answer your question.

Good luck. I hope you find something that doesn't interfere with condoms.
travelingrl 2nd-Feb-2008 04:38 am (UTC)
hehehe yeah... (:

thanks again.
metalkprtty1day 2nd-Feb-2008 04:44 am (UTC)
Insect repellent?? Who would put insect repellent near their vagina??? That sounds like an incredibly bad idea!!
diaphoni 2nd-Feb-2008 05:13 am (UTC)
insane people having sex in a mosquito bog? *shudders*
neveraboutme 2nd-Feb-2008 06:28 am (UTC)
my thoughts exactly.
elettaria 2nd-Feb-2008 12:51 pm (UTC)
People who didn't wash their hands sufficiently, or at all, after putting insect repellent elsewhere? I remember reading an article on the BBC a while back about teenagers who were apparently using empty crisp packets instead of condoms, so apparently any level of stupidity can be found somewhere.
archangelbeth 2nd-Feb-2008 02:26 pm (UTC)
Or desperation in the face of lack of money.

For the OP: Unless I've misread your post, you've decided that STDs are not a problem? (You've been having condom-free sex on HBC, right?) If that's the case, you could investigate lambskin condoms (e.g., Naturalamb brand in the US) instead of latex ones. (Or possibly polyurethane ones.) All the links I'm seeing warn against oil because it messes with latex, so a non-latex condom would be my first thought.

You may want to Google on oil condoms lube and see what hits you get.
travelingrl 2nd-Feb-2008 04:27 pm (UTC)
I'm in a monogamous long term relationship and we've both already been tested for STD's and HIV (although I didn't need to worry - he was a virgin :) over a year ago (we've been together for almost two years now).
I saw naturalamb condoms in the store and they were the most expensive! they were so much more money than all of the other condoms. blah. I don't like condoms.
elettaria 2nd-Feb-2008 08:29 pm (UTC)
I know, but empty crisp packets is where it goes too far, especially in a country with free contraception.
h0rsegurrrl 2nd-Feb-2008 07:39 pm (UTC)
*mind is officially blown*. Okay, potato chip bags are made of foil. The corners and pointy and sharp. They don't feel good! Why... in the vagina... penis... OUCH!!!
elettaria 3rd-Feb-2008 12:48 pm (UTC)
I still can't believe it, but so says the BBC.
herloved_beauty 2nd-Feb-2008 04:33 pm (UTC)
or dairy butter? i've never even thought of using that as a lubricant!

or rubbing alcohol.

OUCHHH.
elettaria 2nd-Feb-2008 12:56 pm (UTC)
Alternatively you could look into combining condoms with the Fertility Awareness Method or a copper IUD for back-up. See fam or iud_divas for further info, though both methods have lots of enthusiastic fans on VP who'll be happy to discuss them.

Condoms have a perfect use success rate quoted at 98% or so, but a typical use success rate of 85%, and bear in mind that this is the overall rate: it's going to be worse for young users as they're more fertile and more likely to make mistakes. The reason for the large difference is user error, there's oodles of room for it with condoms, and using a lubricant that damages the condom is just the sort of mistake that causes the difference between those stats. Be aware of the risks, and find a nice resource on how to use condoms properly, I know there's one that scien always sends people to.
elettaria 2nd-Feb-2008 01:16 pm (UTC)
Here it is: http://www.teenwire.com/interactive/movies/do-040217-condom.php.

To use the formula you put in your post title, coconut oil + condoms = cruising for a pregnancy.
travelingrl 2nd-Feb-2008 04:28 pm (UTC)
haha okay! thank you. My partner and I DO NOT like condoms so this will only be temporary until we figure out something else - I'm thinking about getting a copper IUD.
elettaria 2nd-Feb-2008 08:32 pm (UTC)
I've never been able to get on with condoms either. Since I've never been at a stage where I could risk pregnancy, I've only had sex with no other protection than a condom once in my life. I've got a copper IUD and love it to bits.

Aloe vera's a relatively popular natural lube, have you tried that?

I love using coconut oil as a base for aromatherapy blends, it's so light and quickly absorbed. I'm using the stuff that's solid at room temperature.
ticktockman 2nd-Feb-2008 05:17 am (UTC)
All oils/fats/greases degrade latex, so that includes plant derived oils (coconut oil, olive oil, corn oil, walnut oil, margarine, vegetable shortening, etc.) animal derived fats (butter, lard, schmaltz, tallow), and petroleum derived products (mineral oil, baby oil, vaseline, petroleum jelly, hand lotion, etc.)

Even when no holes are visible to the naked eye, micropores can form that weaken the condom and allow sperm, bacteria, and viruses to transit.

I'm told (haven't tried it myself) that if you blow up a latex condom like a balloon, then rub it with an oil, the condom will pop while you rub it.

Non-latex condoms can safely be used with oils. Consider Trojan Supra or Durex Avanti.

g'luck

*daha*
travelingrl interesting2nd-Feb-2008 04:29 pm (UTC)
I want to do that now!

thank you !
snowmentality 2nd-Feb-2008 09:15 pm (UTC)
I've done it -- in a college sex ed demonstration, applying Chapstick to it. It pops really quickly. :)
subbie_bunny chapstick=risky!3rd-Feb-2008 01:48 am (UTC)
yep!! we did the same demo in my high school sex ed class, with condom-balloons, one we put water based lube on, the other we put vaseline on. and we just.. rubbed them with our fingers. the vaseline condom popped in under a minute. it was a really vivid visual. (that, and the day the lady put her whole foo tin a condom, and pulled it up to her knee. and she said, "girls, if you have a guy who says he's "too big" to fit in a condom, you remember this. if he's really "too big", then you probably oughta just let him walk!!" (she was a hoot!)

just a reminder to girls who wear chapstick, lipstick, lip gloss, or other petroleum based lip-stuffs: if you perform oral sex on guy with condom on, and you have on chapstick, guess what? you just made your condom susceptible to breakage. danger, will robinson!!

for me, it's just one more reason to go make-up free on dates *grin* but seriously, it has compromised the condom's effectiveness, and you should not trust it for intercourse after that. period!

it's just this kind of, "oh!! i didn't think about that!!" stuff that drops condom effectiveness drastically.

i've used only condoms, or condoms plus VCF (one of my fave combos) for years now as my primary mode of protection, and as for effectiveness? well, ten years, regular sex (by regular, i mean there has been no time in sexually active adult life where i have gone more than two weeks without having sex) and in all that time, i have had TWO pregnancy scares. TWO.

i was on HBC for two years before i decided it made me too crazy too keep trying it, and well, i know condoms work if used properly. facts like this one are just not considered often. thanks for including that!!

~melly
dial_zero 3rd-Feb-2008 03:33 am (UTC)
A teacher did that in one of my college science classes. I don't really understand why, since it wasn't a bio or sex ed class. I suspect the teacher was just trying to hold the students' attention!
solestria 2nd-Feb-2008 04:11 pm (UTC)
Unless you're using non-latex condoms, using any sort of oil-based lubricant is compromising your protection.
travelingrl won't being do that .....2nd-Feb-2008 04:29 pm (UTC)
thank you (:
travelingrl won't be doing that*2nd-Feb-2008 04:30 pm (UTC)
typo :P
flickersticked interesting2nd-Feb-2008 04:21 pm (UTC)
This has piqued my interest as I haven't been able to find a lube I like. Would coconut oil cause yeast infections or anything like that?
travelingrl Re: interesting2nd-Feb-2008 04:31 pm (UTC)
I LOVE coconut oil. that being said, if you aren't using condoms, seeing as the oil ONLY is coconut oil (no sugar or yeast ) i don't think it would cause YI. it hasn't for me yet but we've only been using it for a few months now.
travelingrl Re: interesting2nd-Feb-2008 04:32 pm (UTC)
if you do try it, make sure you get the pure stuff. 100% cold pressed organic coconut oil. it can be expensive, but it lasts a loooong time. like around $10 for a big jar but that can last up to 3 or 4 months. (:
sex aside, it can also be used for cooking (used as a replacement to butter or other oils) (:
nakedfaery 2nd-Feb-2008 05:36 pm (UTC)

Any oil based lubricant can create tears in latex condoms. Either find a water or silicone based lube that you like just as much, or try using non latex condoms. If you are both sti free lambskin condoms work well at preventing pregnancy and are non latex. If not, polyurethane condoms (like Avanti) are a good bet. Or try pasante condoms made from AT-100.
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