9:27 pm - 11/15/2007

is there really such a thing as a "vaginal orgasm"

Hey everyone. I am just thinking about orgasms. Is there really such a thing as a "vaginal orgasm"? The vagina is so insensitive compared to the clitoris.  If a woman is being penetrated and has an orgasm, is it the case that something is really just rubbing her clit? There is even the argument that the G-spot is just sort of the other end of the clit. Really, what does a woman mean when she says she had a "vaginal orgasm"? That her was being penetrated and she had an orgasm? That her vagina was the center or point of origin for the orgasm? Check out this article called The Myth of the Vaginal Orgasm. Anne Koedt says that there is no such thing as a vaginal orgasm, that all orgasms originate from the clitoris. I am inclined to agree. For the record, I can easily orgasm from penetration "alone"...but is it really alone? I don't think so. I feel that my clit is definitely being stimulated and rubbed by my partner's movements. Some orgasms can be achieved just by fantasizing. Is that a brain orgasm? Anne Koedt says that even those orgasms originate in the clitoris. 

I dunno, I think it's interesting. What do you all think?
rose2006 16th-Nov-2007 02:45 am (UTC)
the opening to the vagina is very sensitive...maybe some women are driven to orgasm from stimulation of the opening of their vagina? i mean, jeez, some women can get an orgasm from stimulating their nipples, so its certainly possible to get orgasms from different parts of the vagina.
atalanta0jess 16th-Nov-2007 03:02 am (UTC)
Rose2006 makes a lot of sense. The opening of my vag is very sensitive. I also get a lot of pleasure from g-spot stimulation. I'm trying to think if I can absolutely positively rule out the possibility of ANY clitoral stimulation during times that I've orgasmed. I don't think I can. However, I can say with a lot of certainty that I've had orgasms where the clitoral stimulation was (if not entirely absent) un-noticeable compared to the other stimulation, and where the clitoral stimulation was certainly not enough to give me an orgasm on its own.
sparkle_lite 16th-Nov-2007 03:12 am (UTC)
I have orgasms that do not arise from any sort of clitoral stimulation whatsoever. I have also had orgasms that come from g-spot stimulation and not just vaginal penetration. These are different than a simple vaginal orgasm, and often come accompanied by "squirting". I can bring myself to orgasm just by contracting my vaginal muscles , as if doing kegels repeatedly. When penetrated, my vaginal walls become very sensitive and the feeling of the friction across the skin, combined with the muscle contractions produce orgasm. When I, or my partner, add in either g-spot or clitoral stimulation, the feeling and the orgasm change.

I'm thinking perhaps you do not experience orgasms simply from vaginal penetration, and therefore there is a question in your mind as to whether or not they exist. If you had them, you would know that they do.
doomweasel 16th-Nov-2007 03:20 am (UTC)
If you had them, you would know that they do.

Definitely!
storychick 16th-Nov-2007 05:03 am (UTC)
I can, on occasion, have what I would consider vaginal orgasms, as they are primarily from penetration and are generally from positions that do not give much if any clitoral stimulation (and in fact, if my partner tries to enhance my experience by playing with my clit while we are having sex, I often find it so distracting that I can't come from it). However, I do think that at least in me, my "gspot" is the "back of my clitoris" as you said.

Everybody's different, though. I am sure others have a very different experience than I do. Whatever works -- any orgasm is a good one, I say. lol
quietdeath 16th-Nov-2007 05:03 am (UTC)
This woman is full of shit. Ha. I have vaginal and clitoral orgasms, not to even mention the mental stuff. I think she is simply misinformed and needs some more experience. As for the vagina being less sensitive, well it certainly has less nerve endings than the clitoris, but to indicate that one cannot have enough stimulation there alone to achieve orgasm is a myth.
quietdeath 16th-Nov-2007 05:09 am (UTC)
May I also add that the source of an article is very important. As well as the time of publication.

by Anne Koedt (1970). A classic article by the NY based feminist writer. Widely read throughout the women's liberation movement at the time. by Anne Koedt (1970)

As you can see this was published in 1970 and medicine has come leaps and bounds in understanding the understudied female body in the last 20 years alone, much less the last 37 years. This was also published for a feminist group and god knows some feminist, for gods sake NOT ALL, but a few small number think that anything that is done with a dick can be done better without.
queenofdelosers 16th-Nov-2007 05:22 am (UTC)
Just for the record I have had many vaginal orgasms. They are completely different than clitoral orgasms. It's a completely different kind of orgasm for me. A clitoral orgasm is an intense feeling that makes me feel like I have electric shocks going from my clitoris to all parts of my body. A vaginal orgasm for me is deeper. It feels like a wave splashes over me and washes over my body. I feel more fulfilled from a vaginal orgasm. I realize that part of this is psychological and emotional since I almost always have vaginal orgasms with a partner. But, they are two very different things for me. And all of my girlfriends who have had both kinds agree.
pandorasblog 16th-Nov-2007 01:15 pm (UTC)
I get that too; it makes my head go swimmy and it's an emotional as well as physical thing - I can feel very overwhelmed, though in a good way. Sometimes the latter happens without it actually building up to an orgasm, but in any case it's very different from the clitoral kind.
imnotyourstarx 16th-Nov-2007 05:55 am (UTC)
ive never had a vaginal orgasm, and i doubt i ever will. i dont really see how that would even be possible. for me at least.

ive been having clitoral orgasms since i was around 10 or 11.

im not saying vaginal orgasms dont exist. i dont know enough about the subject to say so either way. IVE just never had one.
tisha313 16th-Nov-2007 10:32 am (UTC)
yeah, this part of sex is really way out of my league.
emilia_romagna 16th-Nov-2007 05:58 am (UTC)
i've orgasmed from fantasy, without physical stimulation of any kind. the sensation of orgasm has such an individual psychological component to it, i find anyone saying that one kind of orgasm or another doesn't exist is probably pretty closed minded to the full range of sexual experience, and probably hasn't experienced much. i'd take statements along the lines of what anne koedt said with a grain of salt. there's still a lot to be learned about women's sexuality and orgasm, and we're only getting started.
loonylupinlover 16th-Nov-2007 06:04 am (UTC)
I disagree that there's no such thing as a vaginal orgasm. When I orgasm from intercourse alone -- no one touching the clitoris -- it's really just from the penis in the vagina. The only position where I can grind my clitoris against my boyfriend's pelvis is when I'm sitting on his lap, which feels great, but also very different from our normal sex, where my clitoris doesn't feel as if it's being stimulated -- it just feels generally excited and aroused, the way it would if I was just horny and not touching myself. Clitoral orgasms for me tend to have less of a buildup than vaginal orgasms, and while ultimately the craziest longest string of orgasms I've ever had were purely clitoral, generally I prefer vaginal orgasms through intercourse. They feel great in a different way, and then there's all the accessory sensations of being connected with my boyfriend, hugging, kissing, etc. Clitoral stimulation during sex I sometimes find appealing, but it makes my orgasm more difficult sometimes and tend to be less satisfying than a clitoral orgasm on its own.

And this totally doesn't mention anal orgasms, but I have had one or two of those and they were AWESOME, and EXTREMELY different from either of the two sensations. Anal orgasm to me felt much deeper and made me go all growly and grunty, roflmao, when I usually am a moaner, and it made me feel all shivery, all the way up through my torso.
shinjuki71 16th-Nov-2007 07:46 am (UTC)
There is a vaginal orgasm. I just found this out last week :) You need penetration, and it needs to hit your G-spot and hit it repeatedly.

It's completely different, for me, from the clitoral orgasm, the one I have always had until now.
gemfyre 16th-Nov-2007 08:06 am (UTC)
I agree with you.

To me all these different "kinds" of orgasm that you "should" be able to achieve, and the implication that some are better than others just gives women one more thing to get hung up about.

Sex is sex. If you enjoy it, whether or not you have an orgasm, then great! If you don't enjoy it, then you don't have to do it.
tisha313 16th-Nov-2007 10:31 am (UTC)
yeah i agree. i also find it rather intimidating. and sometimes i feel cheated because my body doesn't enjoy penetration. i still have a long way to go when it comes to accepting my body.
teenspot16 16th-Nov-2007 08:07 am (UTC)
the clit isn't just external.
archangelbeth 16th-Nov-2007 01:44 pm (UTC)
*nods to teenspot16* Yeah, I was going to point out that a large part of the clitoris is internal, and depending on exactly where it's placed in any given woman, it could get stimulated during penetrative sex of some position or other. Or it might not. Or it might only get stimulated when with a Hugely Endowed Person (Or Toy).

G-spots are pretty variable, too...

Deep spots are something some women might enjoy, too ( http://www.fastseduction.com/shade/2001-11-25a.shtml and http://www.fastseduction.com/shade/2001-09-19a.shtml are the most detailed things I can find, and I'm not sure I approve of the guy's tone entirely, but the description is fairly detailed, at least), and if their partner's anatomy is the right shape and length, that could work... If, if, if.

So, is there such a thing as a "vaginal orgasm," where the sensation is mostly transmitted through vaginal stimulation? For some women, heck yeah. For others? No or not yet.

For me? Not really, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy missionary PIV with the spouse. I actually prefer the feeling of clitoral+vaginal orgasms to clitoral alone, too.
druiaen 16th-Nov-2007 01:46 pm (UTC)
The only way I can have a vaginal orgasm is if we're doing it doggy style, so I'd say it's definitely alone. It's a completely different feeling than a clitoral orgasm, or even one that's a little of both (which, in my opinion, are the best ever).
frolicnaked 16th-Nov-2007 02:49 pm (UTC)
Grr. My comment got eaten last night.

I definitely understand that the clitoris is a much larger organ than many people realize, and I can't rule out the possibility that the vaginal orgasms I experience come from the internal portions of the clit being stimulated. However, I also have difficulty picturing how the clitoral crura wrap all the way around to the center of my vaginal wall (instead of just branching out into the V-shape most commonly seen) to create sensation in the place where I feel it. It's also very possible that my vaginal orgasms are caused by non-clitoral stimulation of any kind.
withevrylite 16th-Nov-2007 05:39 pm (UTC)
Right, but even if the clitoris is not being directly stimulated, does that rule out the possibility that the orgasm originates there? With "mental orgasms" when the clit is not being touched at all, is there the possibility that the orgasms still comes from the clit, like the clit is kind of the "home" of all orgasms?
nosexplease1 16th-Nov-2007 06:29 pm (UTC)
I've had an orgasm at a gig. The best sex comes from the mind. And, perhaps, liking music a little too much. (In case anyone wants to try that one, it was a Muse gig, and they're brilliant live regardless of orgasms :D)
withevrylite 16th-Nov-2007 09:06 pm (UTC)
Wow! That sounds like fun. :)
ms_empathy 16th-Nov-2007 06:41 pm (UTC)
I orgasm in my sleep sometimes, and judging by the lack of odor on my fingers the next morning, I'm quite confident that I don't have to touch myself to orgasm. I think orgasms originate in the brain.
withevrylite 16th-Nov-2007 06:57 pm (UTC)
A good point about the importance of the brain. I have orgasms in my sleep as well, without touching myself, though I do find myself squeezing my thighs together as I orgasm (stimulating the clitoris).
h2ok 16th-Nov-2007 06:49 pm (UTC)
The only "vaginal orgasms" I have experienced were ejaculation followed by involuntary vaginal contractions. It didn't feel orgasmic in the slightest though, and I'm inclined to believe that the clitoris was the culprit.

Wikipedia has a great article that illustrates your point.
withevrylite 16th-Nov-2007 06:59 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the link! From the image on that page, it does seem that the clitoris covers a wider area than many people realize. Do you not have involuntary contractions when you have clitoral orgasms? I thought that was a standard thing for orgasms. I guess it just goes to show how much orgasms can vary depending on....everything!
my_neighborhood 17th-Nov-2007 04:43 pm (UTC)
I'm inclined to believe that the many women who say they can aren't lying. I also take the fact that there are women out there who can orgasm on nipple play alone, or orgasm in their as proof that the clit doesn't always have to be involved. The orgasm is a brain thing after all.
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